Here's why we're forced into another friggin' election

[Locutus]

A nice examination of Iggster and Harpo.


Egos, hubris forced election


The problem with Canada's 40th government is that its MPs seem to have forgotten their job and instead allowed themselves to be governed by their egos.

Lest anyone think otherwise, just consider the opening salvos that followed Friday's historic 156-145 non-confidence vote that found a sitting government in contempt of Parliament.

"We are here because of a long pattern of abuse," Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff said during the debate on the non-confidence motion.

That's pretty rich, coming from a federal Liberal leader who has been passed the torch from likes of Pierre Trudeau and Jean Chrétien -- two prime ministers who differed from Prime Minister Stephen Harper only in that they exercised their arrogance and abuse in a majority situation.

When one mentions the federal Liberal party, democratic ethics don't exactly leap to mind. Does Ignatieff think we've all forgotten about the sponsorship scandal? Does he want us simply ignore the reasons why former Liberal senator Raymond Lavigne has been found guilty of fraud and breach of trust?





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Egos, hubris forced election



Bring on the Con majority and stand by.

[Chris]

We are caught in the midst of a general election for one reason, and one only:

Stephen Harper and the Conservative Government have no respect for our elected representatives.

They had to be rebuked by The Honourable Peter Milliken, Speaker of the House of Commons, to respect orders of the House to produce documents; and even then, they never reached an appropriate agreement with the opposition parties on how to produce those documents. The Conservative Party of Canada has demonstrated, here, contempt for the Parliament of Canada.

Then, the prime minister and his Government stood behind The Honourable Bev Oda P.C. (Candidate: Durham), the Minister of International Cooperation, when it was discovered that she had obviously misled the House of Commons when she lied, on several occasions, about having hand-drawn a "not" onto a department recommendation. The prime minister even backed her up, saying that this was normal practice. The contempt for our elected representatives here was astonishing.

The fact of the matter is that a Government, in Canada, must always have the support of the House of Commons to govern. When Her Majesty's Government for Canada refused to acknowledge the role that our elected representatives are responsible for playing, and the constitutional role that they must play to hold the Government accountable. When the Government treated our representatives with contempt (and it is Parliament that represents us, and not the Government), our representatives declared it to be the case by way of a motion, as was the duty of those representatives.

If the prime minister thinks he doesn't need Parliament to govern, then he deserved to be thrown out.

[CDNBear]

We are caught in the midst of a general election for one reason, and one only:

Stephen Harper and the Conservative Government have no respect for our elected representatives.

They had to be rebuked by The Honourable Peter Milliken, Speaker of the House of Commons, to respect orders of the House to produce documents; and even then, they never reached an appropriate agreement with the opposition parties on how to produce those documents. The Conservative Party of Canada has demonstrated, here, contempt for the Parliament of Canada.

We've been down this road Chris. If the tables were turned, you'd be calling the Harper gov't partisan hacks for trying to pressure the gov't to do something that has never been done in the past, just for the sake of political hackery.

Then, the prime minister and his Government stood behind The Honourable Bev Oda P.C. (Candidate: Durham), the Minister of International Cooperation, when it was discovered that she had obviously misled the House of Commons when she lied, on several occasions, about having hand-drawn a "not" onto a department recommendation. The prime minister even backed her up, saying that this was normal practice. The contempt for our elected representatives here was astonishing.

200 acts of Liberal unethical behavior, a good majority by the Feds, and this is the one that breaks your will?

Please spare me your selective outrage and moral relativism.

The fact of the matter is that a Government, in Canada, must always have the support of the House of Commons to govern. When Her Majesty's Government for Canada refused to acknowledge the role that our elected representatives are responsible for playing, and the constitutional role that they must play to hold the Government accountable. When the Government treated our representatives with contempt (and it is Parliament that represents us, and not the Government), our representatives declared it to be the case by way of a motion, as was the duty of those representatives.

Because they chose to be partisan and demand items that any past gov't would not have supplied, and the Speaker would have sided with then gov't.

As I have already proven to you.

If the prime minister thinks he doesn't need Parliament to govern, then he deserved to be thrown out.

What a load of shit. That is not what he's saying. What he has done, is no less offensive then your Liberal criminals. And with regards to documents pertaining to Afghanistan, he said nothing but lets work out what we can share. As no other gov't had ever been forced to produce such documents in time of conflict.

A fact you and you Liberal Lovers fail to repect.

The only people I find in contempt here, is the Liberals for leading this unfounded, bs charge, and anyone that supports them.

[Chris]

We have been down the document production road before.

Never before this case had the House of Commons actually passed a motion making it clear that notwithstanding usual practice (which is a courtesy of the Commons toward the Government), it wanted those documents produced. It had, and has, the right to do so; the Government cannot say "no" to the House when it asks for papers, if it insists. It can say "no" and hope that the House will say "oh, okay," but if the House insists, it has no choice.

Parliament > Prime Minister

End of story.

[CDNBear]

We have been down the document production road before.

Never before this case had the House of Commons actually passed a motion making it clear that notwithstanding usual practice (which is a courtesy of the Commons toward the Government), it wanted those documents produced.

For the expressed purposes and for no other reason, then they knew the Conservative gov't could not ethically produce them on a whim.

Full stop.

It had, and has, the right to do so; the Government cannot say "no" to the House when it asks for papers, if it insists.

And they moved to do so. Being a precedent setting motion, the gov't should have been granted every avenue of time and manner, to do so. The partisan hacks of the opposition, just couldn't have that, and Milliken helped.

As far as I'm concerned, it is tantamount to a coup.

Liberals and the rest of the opposition> Treasonous jackasses.

End of story.

[Mark]

We are caught in the midst of a general election for one reason, and one only:

Stephen Harper and the Conservative Government have no respect for our elected representatives.

They had to be rebuked by The Honourable Peter Milliken, Speaker of the House of Commons, to respect orders of the House to produce documents; and even then, they never reached an appropriate agreement with the opposition parties on how to produce those documents. The Conservative Party of Canada has demonstrated, here, contempt for the Parliament of Canada.

Then, the prime minister and his Government stood behind The Honourable Bev Oda P.C. (Candidate: Durham), the Minister of International Cooperation, when it was discovered that she had obviously misled the House of Commons when she lied, on several occasions, about having hand-drawn a "not" onto a department recommendation. The prime minister even backed her up, saying that this was normal practice. The contempt for our elected representatives here was astonishing.

The fact of the matter is that a Government, in Canada, must always have the support of the House of Commons to govern. When Her Majesty's Government for Canada refused to acknowledge the role that our elected representatives are responsible for playing, and the constitutional role that they must play to hold the Government accountable. When the Government treated our representatives with contempt (and it is Parliament that represents us, and not the Government), our representatives declared it to be the case by way of a motion, as was the duty of those representatives.

If the prime minister thinks he doesn't need Parliament to govern, then he deserved to be thrown out.

Chris in keeping with your colour coded text I shall respond.

Bull Fucking Shit

[Owl]

Reasons not to vote Liberal........200 of them....starting with


Reasons not to vote Liberal

[El Barto]

Harper wants this election .... all he wants is a majority....like any other politicians mind you. You can't hide behind the fact that his campaign started way before this with the negative tv spots....also ... perfect timing with the opinion polls too.... nah Harper doesn't have his hands clean on this one , you just have to step back a little .....
He kept a minorty Government going for this long .... he knows how to pull the strings of the opposition .... plays them like puppets.

He knows how to play the game

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

Harper wants this election .... all he wants is a majority....like any other politicians mind you. You can't hide behind the fact that his campaign started way before this with the negative tv spots....also ... perfect timing with the opinion polls too.... nah Harper doesn't have his hands clean on this one , you just have to step back a little .....
He kept a minorty Government going for this long .... he knows how to pull the strings of the opposition .... plays them like puppets.

He knows how to play the game

And round 1 goes to Mr. Harper in pulling the strings of Iggy and the Scallywags into taking the blame for the election.

[Mark]

Harper needs to cool down a tad. Focus on the economy. Stop with the coalition rhetoric.