Provoke not your children to wrath

[Imp]

I've been readin' some of the bible. I'm the first to admit I don't get it all, but I do like some of the verses in there. I personally believe in karma and reincarnation, but I won't argue with folk over what they choose to believe in.
With that said, let me climb upon the soap box for a second and rant a bit. maybe I just need to get it out cuz' it's buggin' me and if you want toss in your 2 cents feel free.

Every Sunday faithfully since I re connected with my parents, my mom calls at 5.00pm. We chitchat and catch up on life and current events, the weather, the kids, etc. Usually about 2 hours into it, my dad'll mention the time and then my mom will say she should go, and will call next week. It costs neither of us a penny for the call, so it must be the time thing he has an issue with, I don't know.

Obviously the elections are a big thing and we've talked a bit about them, I know they are for McCain and it's ok with me, I still love them the same,haha. No I don't mean it like that, what I mean is I don't care who they like and it doesn't make me think any less of them for it, that's their choice and I'm ok with it.

After a few minutes into talkin' politics, I mentioned that I think Obama is goin' to win it and she said, Omg,don't say that! I was surprised at her horror so I asked her why. She went to tell me that most the folk in church *christians* vote Rep and support the party, the Rep's are more just and moral,godly, etc.
My jaw hit the floor.

After a few more sentences and questions from me, I made my mom cuss.
It's no biggy really, she only said the word 'hell', as in 'what the hell does he know!?!!', but to me it stopped me in my tracks. I truly felt really bad for gettin' her upset and causin' her to curse.
I was raised by my stubborn German Gram and hot headed Irish Grampa and heard some foul language livin' with them.:laugh: But since I've met my mom, I've never seen her get upset and never heard her curse.

I told her let's stop talkin' about it, I didn't want to get her worked up and was sorry. She kept goin' on a bit about it but I wouldn't respond and kept tryin' to change the subject. Finally, we said goodbye and with a heavy heart I hung up the phone. I felt 2 inches high then.

This mornin' I wake up, flip on the computer and am flooded with mail. 27 letters to be exact from my dad, his brother and 2 friends from NY that go to church who haven't written me in over 1/2 a year.

The letters were ALL about McCain and how he's the way and how I'll be goin' to hell if I don't change my ways and serve god and VOTE McCain.

:wacko:

So here's my problem.

I read in the bible to 'honor and obey your parents'.

EPH 6:1-3, "Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right. Honour thy father and mother; which is the first commandment with promise; That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth."

Now, I'm all for livin' a long life, and have no problem honorin' them and respectin' them, although I do refuse to vote for either party...but..


it also says..

"Provoke not your children to wrath."

So, I'm torn of just hittin' delete all damn day and thru the week as long as they feel the urge to keep mailin' me this propaganda or I can fight back and flood their emails with Obama stuff just to watch their heads explode.

Now, I'm not a saint, never claimed that...but on the other hand I am tryin' to be nice about it all. Funny how I can keep an open mind on their beliefs whetherit is their god or party, but they show no respect or open mindedness in letting me choose mine.

Hummm. What would Jesus do?

[grainfedprairieboy]

Jesus would tell you to exercise free will and make your own choice as that is the central tennent of the Christian Faith. Honouring thy father and mother is not so much about doing what is instructed by them but respecting them and not say, harbouring a grudge because you feel their beliefs contradict yours. Honouring they father and mother is the childs version of loving unconditionally in the way a parent would be at your side even though you just axe murdered your neighbour.

But they are right in that you'll go to Hell if you vote for Obama and I'm sure Jesus would back me up.

[s243a]

Do you not honor your mother and father by showing them that you have developed a strong intellect and your own system of ideas?

[s243a]

Jesus would tell you to exercise free will and make your own choice as that is the central tennent of the Christian Faith. Honouring thy father and mother is not so much about doing what is instructed by them but respecting them and not say, harbouring a grudge because you feel their beliefs contradict yours. Honouring they father and mother is the childs version of loving unconditionally in the way a parent would be at your side even though you just axe murdered your neighbour.

But they are right in that you'll go to Hell if you vote for Obama and I'm sure Jesus would back me up.

Didn’t you know Obama is the second coming? lol

[grainfedprairieboy]

Didn’t you know Obama is the second coming? lol

I thought he was the anti Christ.

Either way, I have a vested interest in a militarily strong, economically healthy and internationally politically confident America and it is my opinion that Obama is the antithesis to all of these.

[s243a]

I thought he was the anti Christ.

Either way, I have a vested interest in a militarily strong, economically healthy and internationally politically confident America and it is my opinion that Obama is the antithesis to all of these.

Well, the bible did warn of false profits. Being serious though I don’t have any confidence in McCain’s ability to manage the economy. I’d actually rather see Palin as leader even though she is so unqualified.

[Holly Martins]

Imp, I sympathise. Mrs. Holly's Mom has been putting loads of pressure to vote McCain and they've had some real big flare ups about it. But in the end you have to be your own person and no one can be that for you. When you think about the issues you care about and the values that you feel you have then you know what's best and what it is that you need to do. If they love you, and I am sure that they do, they will still love you on November 5th.

[JoeSchmoe]

Jesus would reply back with Obama propaganda!

And Jesus would tell you to stop worrying about what other people think. No one should be able to make you "feel 2 inches high"....

[Unforgiven]

I've been readin' some of the bible. I'm the first to admit I don't get it all, but I do like some of the verses in there. I personally believe in karma and reincarnation, but I won't argue with folk over what they choose to believe in.
With that said, let me climb upon the soap box for a second and rant a bit. maybe I just need to get it out cuz' it's buggin' me and if you want toss in your 2 cents feel free.

Every Sunday faithfully since I re connected with my parents, my mom calls at 5.00pm. We chitchat and catch up on life and current events, the weather, the kids, etc. Usually about 2 hours into it, my dad'll mention the time and then my mom will say she should go, and will call next week. It costs neither of us a penny for the call, so it must be the time thing he has an issue with, I don't know.

Obviously the elections are a big thing and we've talked a bit about them, I know they are for McCain and it's ok with me, I still love them the same,haha. No I don't mean it like that, what I mean is I don't care who they like and it doesn't make me think any less of them for it, that's their choice and I'm ok with it.

After a few minutes into talkin' politics, I mentioned that I think Obama is goin' to win it and she said, Omg,don't say that! I was surprised at her horror so I asked her why. She went to tell me that most the folk in church *christians* vote Rep and support the party, the Rep's are more just and moral,godly, etc.
My jaw hit the floor.

After a few more sentences and questions from me, I made my mom cuss.
It's no biggy really, she only said the word 'hell', as in 'what the hell does he know!?!!', but to me it stopped me in my tracks. I truly felt really bad for gettin' her upset and causin' her to curse.
I was raised by my stubborn German Gram and hot headed Irish Grampa and heard some foul language livin' with them.:laugh: But since I've met my mom, I've never seen her get upset and never heard her curse.

I told her let's stop talkin' about it, I didn't want to get her worked up and was sorry. She kept goin' on a bit about it but I wouldn't respond and kept tryin' to change the subject. Finally, we said goodbye and with a heavy heart I hung up the phone. I felt 2 inches high then.

This mornin' I wake up, flip on the computer and am flooded with mail. 27 letters to be exact from my dad, his brother and 2 friends from NY that go to church who haven't written me in over 1/2 a year.

The letters were ALL about McCain and how he's the way and how I'll be goin' to hell if I don't change my ways and serve god and VOTE McCain.

:wacko:

So here's my problem.

I read in the bible to 'honor and obey your parents'.



Now, I'm all for livin' a long life, and have no problem honorin' them and respectin' them, although I do refuse to vote for either party...but..


it also says..



So, I'm torn of just hittin' delete all damn day and thru the week as long as they feel the urge to keep mailin' me this propaganda or I can fight back and flood their emails with Obama stuff just to watch their heads explode.

Now, I'm not a saint, never claimed that...but on the other hand I am tryin' to be nice about it all. Funny how I can keep an open mind on their beliefs whetherit is their god or party, but they show no respect or open mindedness in letting me choose mine.

Hummm. What would Jesus do?

Just smile and give'm a nod, then tell them they know you will do the right thing. That should scare the hell out of them but they'll fret like anything trying to sus out just what you mean by the "right thing".

Should any of them get on the phone to you, a simple "Don't Question The Lord's Work" should settle thier hash. ;)

And always remember that it's harder to walk the walk than it is to talk the talk. Just encourage them to keep trying.

[karrie]

Oh Imp, I don't envy you the position you're in. I wish I had some solid answers for you.