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    Dad links son's suicide to 'The God Delusion'

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81459

    A New York man is linking the suicide of his 22-year-old son, a military veteran who had bright prospects in college
    , to the anti-Christian book "The God Delusion" by Richard Dawkins after a college professor challenged the son to read it.
    "Three people told us he had taken a biology class and was doing well in it, but other students and the professor were really challenging my son, his faith. They didn't like him as a Republican, as a Christian, and as a conservative who believed in intelligent design," the grief-stricken father, Keith Kilgore, told WND about his son, Jesse.
    "This professor either assigned him to read or challenged him to read a book, 'The God Delusion,' by Richard Dawkins," he said.
    Jesse Kilgore committed suicide in October by walking into the woods near his New York home and shooting himself. Keith Kilgore said he was shocked because he believed his son was grounded in Christianity, had blogged against abortion and for family values, and boasted he'd been debating for years.

    After Jesse's death, Keith Kilgore learned of the book assignment from two of his son's friends and a relative. He searched Jesse's room and found the book under the mattress with his son's bookmark on the last page.
    A WND message seeking a comment from Dawkins or his publisher was not returned today.

    The first inkling of a reason for the suicide came, Keith Kilgore told WND, when one of Jesse's friends came to visit after word of his son's death circulated.
    "She was in tears [and said] he was very upset by this book," Keith Kilgore said. "'It just destroyed him,' were her words.

    Jesse Kilgore
    "Then another friend at the funeral told me the same thing," Keith Kilgore said. "This guy was his best friend, and about the only other Christian on campus.
    "The third one was the last person that my son talked to an hour before [he died,]" Keith Kilgore told WND, referring to a member of his extended family whose name is not being revealed here.
    That relative, who had struggled with his own faith and had returned to Christianity, wrote in a later e-mail that Jesse "started to tell me about his loss of faith in everything."
    "He was pretty much an atheist, with no belief in the existence of God (in any form) or an afterlife or even in the concept of right or wrong," the relative wrote. "I remember him telling me that he thought that murder wasn't wrong per se, but he would never do it because of the social consequences - that was all there was - just social consequences.
    "He mentioned the book he had been reading 'The God Delusion' by Richard Dawkins and how it along with the science classes he had take[n] had eroded his faith. Jesse was always great about defending his beliefs, but somehow, the professors and the book had presented him information that he found to be irrefutable. He had not talked … about it because he was afraid of how you might react. ... and that he knew most of your defenses of Christianity because he himself used them often. Maybe he had used them against his professors and had the ideas shot down."
    He then explained to Jesse his own personal journey of seeking "other explanations of God's existence" and told of his ultimate return.
    "I told him it was my relationship with God, not my knowledge of Him that brought me back to my faith. No one convinced me with facts. ... it was a matter of the heart."
    Keith Kilgore believes it was a biology class that raised questions for his son, and a biology professor at Jefferson Community College in Watertown, N.Y., where his son was attending, who suggested the book.
    A school spokeswoman told WND that the "God Delusion" was not a part of the biology curriculum, and several of the professors she contacted said they had not even read the book. However, the spokeswoman was unable to contact all of the professors in the department and could not state that none of them had suggested the book to Jesse.
    Local police also did not respond to WND inquiries about the investigation into the death.
    "One of his friends, and his uncle (they did not know each other) both told me that Jesse called them hours before he took his life and that he had lost all hope because he was convinced that God did not exist, and this book was the cause," Keith Kilgore told WND.
    Keith Kilgore, a retired military chaplain who has dealt with the various stages of grief and readily admits he's still in the "anger" stage over his son's death, said his son apparently had checked the "Delusion" out of the college library.
    "I'm all for academic freedom," Keith Kilgore said. "What I do have a problem with is if there's going to be academic freedom, there has to be academic balance.
    "They were undermining every moral and spiritual value for my [son]," he said. "They ought to be held accountable."
    He suggested the moral is for Christians simply to abandon public schools wholly.
    "Here's another thing," he continued. "If my son was a professing homosexual, and a professor challenged him to read [a book called] 'Preventing Homosexuality'… If my son was gay and [the book] made him feel bad, hopeless, and he killed himself, and that came out in the press, there would be an outcry.
    "He would have been a victim of a hate crime and the professor would have been forced to undergo sensitivity training, and there may have even been a wrongful death lawsuit.
    "But because he's a Christian, I don't even get a return telephone call," the father told WND.
    He said he tried to verify the book assignment himself several times, without getting a response from the school.
    Jesse Kilgore blogged on NetPotion and Newblog, and the writings that remained mostly addressed social ills and how anti-Christian many of the world's developments appeared to be.
    He used the pen name JKrapture because, his father said, "He believed in the rapture, the evangelical concept of the Lord coming back."
    On the Web, Jesse described himself as "conservative and mainly independent. I am a culture warrior and traditionalist. I have been debating since I was in 5th Grade, and never looked back. It is a habit I can't let go of."

    .....

    From among the online community came these responses: "I am shocked and so sorry for your loss – our loss. My prayers are with you and all of your family at this difficult time," and "I AM at a loss of words.....I am sooooo sorry to hear your loss. My thoughts and prayers are with you and your family."
    Keith Kilgore told WND he feels, by allowing his son to move into the atmosphere of a secular school, like "I put a toddler in the front of my car."
    "My son is the Adam Walsh of the culture war. That's who my son is," he said, referring to the child abduction victim whose case was used to create a wide range of amber alert and other programs to protect children.
    He said he has a wake-up call over the anti-Christian agenda of public education. And he has some goals.
    "I want to hold schools accountable for what they're teachingour kids. This was malpractice," he said.
    Dawkins, considered one of the world's most outspoken atheists, is a professor in the United Kingdom. He came to prominence in 1976 with his book "The Selfish Gene," promoting evolution.
    In his "Delusion" treatise he claims that a supernatural creator almost certainly does not exist and that faith qualifies as a "delusion" – a fixed false belief.
    Godspeed, Jesse.

    This unsettled me for a few reasons. It is also the reason I don't argue with folks about their beliefs because I'm afraid if they get to a point where they feel there is nothin' to believe in, that they would do the same as him.

    My other problem is that this is my hometown, the place I just moved from. My niece is goin' to that college, and is a republican and a christian, she knew him and is beside herself at the moment.

    I wonder if it was his 'lack of strength' in his belief of god, or if he just came to the conclusion there was no god and felt so hopeless.

    Nevertheless, is it right that this book is OK for the class? Is it the college professors job to make the students go against their beliefs?

    She had called me and chitchatted breifly and I encouraged her to hold strong to her faith. Although I don't believe the same she does, her need to belief is what I support.
    If you can't laugh at yourself, I'll be glad to do it for you.
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    Ok i find this lame as an excuse. Blaming a book for a suicide.
    The Fathers a military chaplin . Hmm I'd start looking there for accusations. This Kids must come from a strict background and upbringing. I think theres more of a clash there.

    Geez this would mean this kid had a weak spirit to be turned around like that to do himself in.
    I feel this blaming a book is more of someone elses agenda then gettig down to the truth.
    Something just doesn't add up here.

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    Blaming a book and his biology teacher is really weak and low to put that on a teacher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Barto View Post
    Ok i find this lame as an excuse. Blaming a book for a suicide.
    The Fathers a military chaplin . Hmm I'd start looking there for accusations. This Kids must come from a strict background and upbringing. I think theres more of a clash there.

    Geez this would mean this kid had a weak spirit to be turned around like that to do himself in.
    I feel this blaming a book is more of someone elses agenda then gettig down to the truth.
    Something just doesn't add up here.
    Yes, I see exactly where you are comin' from. Might not even have had anythin' to do with the book, maybe him and his dad had a fallin' out and the dad is blamin' the book.
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    Did you take a good look at his picture?

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Barto View Post
    Did you take a good look at his picture?
    You mean, ya think he had a closet monster?:whistle:
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    Sad and tragic nonetheless of course... I don't want the "controversy" to take away from this sad sad story....

    RIP young man.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Imp View Post
    You mean, ya think he had a closet monster?:whistle:
    At first thats what I thought.
    he looks so innocent

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Barto View Post
    At first thats what I thought.
    he looks so innocent
    Could be he was just still a virgin. :unknw:

    I wonder about folks who are raised strictly 'christian'*religious* and when are out under from that protection, the affect it has on them.

    Totally innocent and sheltered from the harsh reality of world, then put right in the middle of it. It must be like shell shock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Imp View Post
    Could be he was just still a virgin. :unknw:

    I wonder about folks who are raised strictly 'christian'*religious* and when are out under from that protection, the affect it has on them.

    Totally innocent and sheltered from the harsh reality of world, then put right in the middle of it. It must be like shell shock.
    yes. the more rigid the faith instill the hard it is when it is broken. Tho I feel theres something that has to do with his dad .

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