sermon ~ advising people to shoplift rather than turning to prostitution.

[paulfrottawa]

Rev. Tim Jones, 41, told his followers that stealing from large chain stores is sometimes the best option for the poor. He said it is better for people to steal than resort to prostitution, mugging or burglary.



He also said that it is better to steal from large, national businesses rather than small businesses.

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Id go even farther and say it is better to grow your own. But that is not how the government sees it. Even though it does less harm.

[sperminator]

god helps those who help themselves. :blum: :laugh:

[mikezila]

Rev. Tim Jones, 41, told his followers that stealing from large chain stores is sometimes the best option for the poor. He said it is better for people to steal than resort to prostitution, mugging or burglary.



He also said that it is better to steal from large, national businesses rather than small businesses.

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Id go even farther and say it is better to grow your own. But that is not how the government sees it. Even though it does less harm.

if you're going to have to pick a sin, i'd say shoplifting is the least of them. everything else puts them in harm's way too. rubber breaks, homeowners enjoy beating burglars with baseball bats and muggers find themselves out gunned from time to time.:gun:

[Sal]

Rev. Tim Jones, 41, told his followers that stealing from large chain stores is sometimes the best option for the poor. He said it is better for people to steal than resort to prostitution, mugging or burglary.



He also said that it is better to steal from large, national businesses rather than small businesses.

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Id go even farther and say it is better to grow your own. But that is not how the government sees it. Even though it does less harm.

I have zero problem with a woman prostituting to support herself or her family. If it's to support her drug habit and she's all gorked out then I would.

But a smart, savvy woman with a good business acumen, screw the shoplifting. That is pathetic.

Now for street kids who are hungry, yeah go for the lift.

I can see where the guy is coming from but lifting a bit here and there is no solution to raising oneself out of poverty. Prostitution on the other hand could.

[mikezila]

I have zero problem with a woman prostituting to support herself or her family. If it's to support her drug habit and she's all gorked out then I would.

But a smart, savvy woman with a good business acumen, screw the shoplifting. That is pathetic.

Now for street kids who are hungry, yeah go for the lift.

I can see where the guy is coming from but lifting a bit here and there is no solution to raising oneself out of poverty. Prostitution on the other hand could.

mmmm...i'm going to have to respectfully disagree with you there, Sal. discounting the perils of "rough trade" and the straight out serial killer, even a smart hooker is only one broken condom from an early death. it is the most dangerous of the above mentioned options to get by...not get ahead, just get by. a life built on sin is sure to crumble.

[Muz]

mmmm...i'm going to have to respectfully disagree with you there, Sal. discounting the perils of "rough trade" and the straight out serial killer, even a smart hooker is only one broken condom from an early death. it is the most dangerous of the above mentioned options to get by...not get ahead, just get by. a life built on sin is sure to crumble.

You're assuming that any time a condom breaks you're going to die, when in reality HIV is a difficult virus to transmit.

First, the "John" would have to be HIV+ to start with which is a long shot when they're mostly dealing with cheating husbands.

Second, being exposed doesn't guarantee transmission. Couples with one positive partner have been known to be together for decades having unprotected sex and the uninfected one doesn't get it.

Third, becoming HIV+ isn't necessarily a death sentence anymore.

And finally, that having sex for money is only a sin in your definition of morality. If the transaction is equitable for both sides, no one is the victim while shoplifting affects us all in higher prices, two pounds of plastic packaging for a USB Drive, and security cameras up the ying-yang.

So given the woman takes the right precautions, goes about it intelligently with some class, and doesn't need a drug habit to motivate her it's a fairly low risk in comparison.

Those big box stores are zero tolerance on shoplifting nowadays and ending up in prison after getting caught a couple of times isn't very good for the health or career prospects either.

Muz

[mikezila]

You're assuming that any time a condom breaks you're going to die, when in reality HIV is a difficult virus to transmit.

First, the "John" would have to be HIV+ to start with which is a long shot when they're mostly dealing with cheating husbands.

Second, being exposed doesn't guarantee transmission. Couples with one positive partner have been known to be together for decades having unprotected sex and the uninfected one doesn't get it.

is that a risk you'd want your daughter (or son) to take?

Third, becoming HIV+ isn't necessarily a death sentence anymore.

if you have thousands of dollars for spend for medication and start them before you get sick...they'll live with HIV longer, but it's still going to kill them if a john doesn't.

And finally, that having sex for money is only a sin in your definition of morality. If the transaction is equitable for both sides, no one is the victim while shoplifting affects us all in higher prices, two pounds of plastic packaging for a USB Drive, and security cameras up the ying-yang.

you should have read the OP. it's a preist that came up with the advice.

So given the woman takes the right precautions, goes about it intelligently with some class, and doesn't need a drug habit to motivate her it's a fairly low risk in comparison.

if someone resorts to smoking sausage for a living, they aren't going to have the resources or sense to get tested freqently.

[quote}Those big box stores are zero tolerance on shoplifting nowadays and ending up in prison after getting caught a couple of times isn't very good for the health or career prospects either.

Muz[/QUOTE]

has loss prevention ever left a shoplifter dead in a ditch?

[Muz]

is that a risk you'd want your daughter (or son) to take?

I wouldn't let them end up in a position to have to make that choice, but it would be her decision ultimately.

if you have thousands of dollars for spend for medication and start them before you get sick...they'll live with HIV longer, but it's still going to kill them if a john doesn't.

You're still citing the worst case as the norm.

you should have read the OP. it's a preist that came up with the advice.

I did read the OP and duh, I did notice the collar on the priest.

I said "your definition of morality" with the "your" being in the collective, since you share that moral perspective with the priest.

if someone resorts to smoking sausage for a living, they aren't going to have the resources or sense to get tested freqently.

Well, maybe someone with more sense than you would.:laugh:
You pain everyone with a broad brush. Of course some won't, but most will. Remember, clinics are free up here.

has loss prevention ever left a shoplifter dead in a ditch?

Again, you see everything so black and white, and hyperbolic Mike.

Muz

[Sal]

mmmm...i'm going to have to respectfully disagree with you there, Sal. discounting the perils of "rough trade" and the straight out serial killer, even a smart hooker is only one broken condom from an early death. it is the most dangerous of the above mentioned options to get by...not get ahead, just get by. a life built on sin is sure to crumble.

No problem with disagreeing. We all view things differently.

Everything Muz said covers my thought on this.

I do not think of sex for money as a "sin".

Perhaps too when you think of "hooker" you think of girls walking the strip. That's not exactly every escort. There is the down dirty seamy side of course. But there is also everything on up to girls that make easily more than a grand a night per John depending of course upon requirements.

You might be surprised at who would use such services and the education level of the "ladies" that they want.

[OldPhart]

Reverend Jones is a fool.

It matters not if you steal from your neighbor or from Walmart...it's still theft.

Taking what does not belong to you is not a Christian (or even civilized) endeavor. There is no moral justification for this... one cannot blur the lines on the law.

Why doesn't the good reverend recommend grand larceny or a violent crime, and then turn yourself in to authorities? Then you could be fed and clothed by the state for several years!