Energy can neither be created nor destroyed...

[paulfrottawa]

Energy can not be created or destroyed is my spiritual belief as well. Its what kind of energy is in the spirit that eludes us. Seeing your Grandfather reinforces that good bonds never cease. I have never heard of someone having a negative experience with their own death. (clinically dead and come back to life)

[Ron Toronto]

My brother in law had one of those experiences last winter. He loves to fish and hunt, especially in remote areas, and often by himself. Two years ago he had not a quadruple bypass but a bypass with five-bypass, not sure what you call that. Plus they rebuilt the bottom chamber of his heart. Anyway, he went hunting with some buddies and they split up at one point and he found himself in snow up to his waist and out of sight of the others. He said he remembers getting very tired struggling to walk in the snow and he got dizzy, passed out and fell in the snow. While "passed out", he recalls he walked down a long narrow pathway with a bright light at the end. He says he knew all the while what was happening and he wasn't scared or doubting or anything like that; instead, he deliberately went looking for dead relatives at the end of that passage, his father in particular. When he couldn't find anyone, he recalls feeling a bit ripped off and saying to himself, "I'm not staying here if there's no one else around!" and he started to turn back away from the light. Just as he did, he heard voices and his buddies, who by now had found him unconscious in the snow, were trying to revive him. He figures he might have been out between 10 and 20 minutes altogether, I'm not saying he was dead the whole time, just that he was "unconscious", whether his heart actually stopped and for how long will never be known.

When he told the doc about this, the doc arranged for him to have an implant that would monitor his heart and provide a boost if he needed it, like jump starting a dead car battery. It is in his chest, you can see and feel it beneath the skin.

I told him he should have gotten a transmitter implanted that gives out his GPS location so we could find his body if he ever kicks while out on his own - and a fish finder implant would have come in handy too!

[Freethinker]

One would have to be crazy to ignore the possibility that life goes on.


Muz

I do not think that any thinking human being can be said to be "ignoring" the <quote/unquote> --"possibility"-- that "life goes on".

It is simply the case that --throughout the 100,000 or so years of existence of humankind on earth-- not one of the billions of humans occupying this planet has EVER presented the slightest shred of proof or evidence; repeatable, observable, verifiable scientific EVIDENCE-- supporting the assertion that "life goes on".

Nothing.

Zero.

Zip.

Nada.

The fact that no evidence of the claim **life goes on** has ever been presented OUGHT to suggest a conclusion to the rational mind.

Unfortunately, the untold masses of ignorant humans living on this planet --who sadly make up the vast majority of earth's inhabitants-- who choose to believe in spooks, spirits, supernaturalism and *things that go bump in the night* can NOT rationally assess and weigh the fact that no evidence has been presented, and come to the rational conclusion presented by that fact;

... that no "spirits", no "afterlife", no "immortality" and no "otherworldly paradise" exists.